I am unsure of the constitution or rules of MYFC, but is it actually neccessary to vote EVERY time a bid is made?
Example:
A club bids £20,000 for Gash.
Vote.
Rejected.
Same club comes back with an increased bid of £20,500.
Vote
Rejected.
Club increases bid to £21,000
Vote.
Rejected.
And so on.
You get the picture.
This bizarre situation could happen almost daily as clubs try to winkle Lance, Darius and Michael from us, testing the waters to see what price we actually put on the players.
EUFC are not an auction house.
The simple answer is for the board and manager to set realistic fixed valuations on those players.
Bids under those values would be, with the approval of the members, automatically rejected without the need to vote.
A simple solution to a problem that could become a farce if it is not nipped in the bud.
One quick vote to from members to agree to this principle is all that needs.
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Posted 1 year ago #
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Totally agree Gaz. The tricky thing will be deciding on an appropriate target value that suits everyone.
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The other issue is as follows (and I have discussed this with a scoiety board member)
SB puts a vote up (after going through all process)
MYFC Members vote
SB can overturn a vote if it i snot in the interests of the club.Which means one of two things.
1) The SB think its reasonable to go to vote
2) A vote against a motion could by some selfish power hungry members be deemed as a vote of no confidence in the SB.I have complete faith in Keith , Jessica , Chris P , Brenton , Paul Jarvis and John to deliver a working model for MYFC to allow a functioning club and this includes decision making.
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The other issue is as follows (and I have discussed this with a scoiety board member)
SB puts a vote up (after going through all process)
MYFC Members vote
SB can overturn a vote if it i snot in the interests of the club.
Which means one of two things.
1) The SB think its reasonable to go to vote
2) A vote against a motion could by some selfish power hungry members be deemed as a vote of no confidence in the SB.
I have complete faith in Keith , Jessica , Chris P , Brenton , Paul Jarvis and John to deliver a working model for MYFC to allow a functioning club and this includes decision making.This is why I have always thought that having just a Normal Club Board, with the MyFc Reps sitting on it holding 75% of the votes, would be a much more sensible way to go!
The Board could then make decisions 'on the spot' as it were, (less time sesitive and confidential votes could still be taken, as they are now) if MyFc majority were unhappy with the way their Board members were voting they could always vote to replace them. The MyFc Board (as it now stands) could then be disbanded, with maybe the exception of organising the MyFc AGM and the Web Forums. This would require some changes to MyFc Rules, but the benefit would be that the club would be seen to be pulling together and decisions (Such as Transfers) would go through quickly and smoothley, without the disadvantage we now see, when competing for signings/ transfers etc with other clubs!
It appears that we have too many cooks spoiling the broth sometimes ( with a few only qualified to stir
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The decisions we reach would have been the same anyway, with them being the obvious and only sensible ones to take!Posted 1 year ago # -
Myfc members elect a society board, A team manager is employed to run the team, LET THEM GET ON WITH IT I SAY, all this voting is crazy, I have every faith in the elected society board AND Liam Daish, they are not going to let good players be 'Stolen' by other clubs who seem to think Ebbsfleet are in deep financial trouble, when the reality is that other clubs are borrowing and getting deeper in to debt to buy players whilst Ebbsfleet work within their budget albeit a small one (At the moment) Liam and the SB will of course want to hold on to the contracted players and any others they can within the budget, If a good offer comes in that will allow good replacements to be purchased the SB and Liam can make the decision,
We must have some faith in them surely, Liam Daish has said he wants to continue knowing full well the financial constraints, let him get on with it, Not have to look over his shoulder and ask the 2000 odd myfc members that bother to vote about every thing he can do, Its clear now most members and local supporters want messrs Gash, Charles, Cronin and West to stay unless a too good to be true offer is madePosted 1 year ago # -
Anonymous Unregistered
Login to Send PMAre you a member, 190GKN?
Perhaps you should put that as a proposal.
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Yes, Allstars I am a member and do feel very strongly about what I said, How on earth can the club run smoothly when the elected SB and manager cannot make decisions, and continually have to go back to the members and only 20% are bothered to vote anyway, We have what I consider a very good society board who ALL have the clubs best interest and success at heart, We also have a manager prepared to stand by the club and make a go of it under circumstances that I think can only improve as time goes by,
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You get the picture.
Yes we do Gaz but that has not what has happened.
What has happened is that we got an offer of £30k for Gash, then another for £40k with others hovering to make offers too. We also got an offer of £10k for Charles which was given short shrift.
The result of this so far is that there has been a far higher level of interest in the site, some decent vote turnouts in these votes (given the time restrictions), publicity on BBC and overseas websites, an interview on talk sport radio and a noticeable hike in the number of members joining.
All of this has contributed towards improving the financial position ofthe club.
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What has happened is that we got an offer of £30k for Gash, then another for £40k with others hovering to make offers too. We also got an offer of £10k for Charles which was given short shrift.
The result of this so far is that there has been a far higher level of interest in the site, some decent vote turnouts in these votes (given the time restrictions), publicity on BBC and overseas websites, an interview on talk sport radio and a noticeable hike in the number of members joining.
All of this has contributed towards improving the financial position ofthe club.Okay, Arithon If the SB think going to vote (initially) is going to benefit the club in new members and financially from publicity then so be it, My point is that the SB together with the team manager make the decisions as they think appropriate without the need to go back to the membership EVERY time,
Hey, I've got faith in you guysPosted 1 year ago # -
I am unsure of the constitution or rules of MYFC, but is it actually neccessary to vote EVERY time a bid is made?
Example:
A club bids £20,000 for Gash.
Vote.
Rejected.
Same club comes back with an increased bid of £20,500.Unlikely though gaz. Bit like everyone worrying 1,000 rival fans were going to sign upto pick the team when we played them. Clubs aren't stupid enough to waste time going up in transfer incraments , theyll want to get their bidding and buying over with or move on rather than save £500 here and there.
It appears that we have too many cooks spoiling the broth sometimes ( with a few only qualified to stir
Id pay money to be a fly on the wall when the likes of Allstars tells Daish what he should be doing.
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Id pay money to be a fly on the wall when the likes of Allstars tells Daish what he should be doing.
Make sure the money goes to FOTF
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How do you know that clubs are 'hovering to make offers'?
They either are or they aren't aren't they?
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How do you know that clubs are 'hovering to make offers'?
They either are or they aren't aren't they?No there is an in between Jeff. In the vote article it was mentioned that another club had expressed interest and that the first club were considering a new offer too.
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im not a MYFC member sadly, but i can say that all this voting is a bit too much, though i think this gash thing is very important why cnat the main guys decide for once :S
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The simple answer is for the board and manager to set realistic fixed valuations on those players.
Bids under those values would be, with the approval of the members, automatically rejected without the need to vote.
A simple solution to a problem that could become a farce if it is not nipped in the bud.
One quick vote to from members to agree to this principle is all that needs.One quick vote to tell any club thinking of paying £150,000 for Darius that we have valued him at £75,000.
One thing you would guarantee HG is that there would be no chance of any bids over those values.
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im not a MYFC member sadly, but i can say that all this voting is a bit too much, though i think this gash thing is very important why cnat the main guys decide for once :S
The main guys did decide.
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i ment like diash let the manager decide to keep him
http://www.Ebbsfleetunited.webs.com Posted 1 year ago # -
You get the picture.
Yes we do Gaz but that has not what has happened.
What has happened is that we got an offer of £30k for Gash, then another for £40k with others hovering to make offers too. We also got an offer of £10k for Charles which was given short shrift.
The result of this so far is that there has been a far higher level of interest in the site, some decent vote turnouts in these votes (given the time restrictions), publicity on BBC and overseas websites, an interview on talk sport radio and a noticeable hike in the number of members joining.
All of this has contributed towards improving the financial position ofthe club.You may have misunderstood the sentiment in my post, Arithon, I was in no way knocking or criticising MYFC or the members. The time for that has gone - we must all look to the future as a unified group of supporters.
My proposal was simply a suggestion to reduce the potential for unnessassary votes, which potentially could happen if other clubs turn Ebbfleet into an internet version of footballing E-Bay, by upping the bidding on players until a bid is finally accepted.
It hasn't happened yet, but I wonder how long it will be before other clubs cotton onto the fact that a vote is needed seemingly everytime a bid is made.Posted 1 year ago # -
One danger of too much online voting is that every other club can monitor our entire buying and selling strategy
Posted 1 year ago # -
The only reason they are coming up for a vote is to generate more new members.
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meh where i go to learn i get stick for supporting the fleet, and the only thing they say is that were in debt :S werid
but i live The most imporatnt game for me next season i afc wimbledon my m8 supports them and i wanna prove him wrongThis vote sustem is a good idea but done to much i reckon
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Our problems could be largely resolved if every regular supporter was able to recruit a freind as a new fan.
I have got one who is now very interested (a Chelsea fan who can no longer afford to watch them). Another , an Orient / Maidstone fan is also going to come as often as he can, lured by by the spectacular fluent football on offer, cheap fosters and the piping hot Aero drinks.
At the end of the day, the club will only become successful with a significant increase in gates.Posted 1 year ago # -
At the end of the day, the club will only become successful with a significant increase in gates.
More local supporters and more MyFC members. That's the way forward. (I'm agreeing with Gaz, in case it wasn't clear.)
I agree that numerous votes can be tedious, but I fail to see how they've hurt our bargaining power in any of the transactions we've seen since MyFC became involved. Maybe I'm wrong. Has there been a transfer scenario yet that's been scuppered because of our transparency? I tend to think the transparency actually helps. Other clubs know not to bother with low-ball offers. We'll just reject them, and the publicity brings us new members, and more funds in the coffers. Explain again how that hurts the club?
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Have to agre with both Gary and Mr Heard here - as was said by a very successful businessman many years ago - any publicity is good publicity; we have to be there to jump on the back of it, persuade new people to come to games with us, to eventually become true supporters of the club... even join MyFC..... (ironic that one - just decided I was going to join this week when I lost my job...)
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You really can't argue with the increasing membership numbers being anything other than a result of the publicity surrounding the transfer votes. There is also a huge increase in the numbers voting. What is missing IMO is the vote allowing LD to take the offers forward. Something along the lines of whatever plus or minus there is to the sales will go into the playing budget. If he is willing to sacrifice a player for the additional funds it will generate, he should do so. The other point to make is that belief in the MyFC model (communication, transparency, democratic voting) translates to membership, which translates to additional funding. For whatever reason LD is reluctant to communicate to the members. If an effective way of doing this can be found, it will only serve to increase membership and interest.
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yh i tried to get my freinds to support the fleet but they think BSP is rubbish tho one of them supports AFC wombles :P. Ill keep trying tho :0
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You may have misunderstood the sentiment in my post, Arithon, I was in no way knocking or criticising MYFC or the members. The time for that has gone - we must all look to the future as a unified group of supporters.
My proposal was simply a suggestion to reduce the potential for unnessassary votes, which potentially could happen if other clubs turn Ebbfleet into an internet version of footballing E-Bay, by upping the bidding on players until a bid is finally accepted.
It hasn't happened yet, but I wonder how long it will be before other clubs cotton onto the fact that a vote is needed seemingly everytime a bid is made.I didn't think you were being critical Gaz.
I think your scenario is possible but that we have the flexibility to be able to counter it if it became necessary. It is one of the reasons I am personally wary of setting guidelines for when stuff goes to a vote. I think it is better to make a judgement based on the circumstances and the offers that come in.
More important than your concern perhaps is at what point do we change the vote criteria to ask the manager to begin private negotiations? I think we should see the results of this particular vote and then discuss with him privately his views on the matter to date. It is a difficult one, clearly Liam would not want to show his hand publicly but at the same time, getting expert opinion is a valuable piece of the vote. As the issue develops, i think that we need to be flexible and perhaps reappraise how we word votes with any further, hopefully higher, offers.
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You get the picture.
Yes we do Gaz but that has not what has happened.
What has happened is that we got an offer of £30k for Gash, then another for £40k with others hovering to make offers too. We also got an offer of £10k for Charles which was given short shrift.
The result of this so far is that there has been a far higher level of interest in the site, some decent vote turnouts in these votes (given the time restrictions), publicity on BBC and overseas websites, an interview on talk sport radio and a noticeable hike in the number of members joining.
All of this has contributed towards improving the financial position ofthe club.Arithon is right. The more votes that are put to the members of MyFC the better. When high profile votes come along like transfer offers then we do benefit from from a higher media coverage which is no bad thing. As Paul says if this increased interest wets the appetite for new members to sign up then again it helps the cause. No transfer is ever confidential as if either party want details leaked to create a dutch auction then they can.
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Anonymous Unregistered
Login to Send PMBut Mark I didn't think you like Arithon and this process.
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But Mark I didn't think you like Arithon and this process.
Paul this isn't about whether I like Arithon or not. I still repsepect him. OK, I may not approve of how he has tried to remove Will from MyFc or how he discredited many of those asscoiated with the club. But, and this is a big but he does know how to get the best out of the MyFC members and as he said in his post, we have gained a lot publicity from the current transfer votes. You are always going to personality clashes but with a club as small as ours we can't afford to continue like this. We need to move forward as one.
Up the Fleet
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