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   porterzoid Member
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   I find it worrying that threads are 'closed' by the moderator simply on the basis that the moderator is not in agreement with the posting. There are a large amount of Gravesend and Northfleet supporters who feel disilusioned by what has happened to their club. Many of the key desicions (MyFC, name change etc) have been made by individuals with no real affinity to the heritage of the club. I hope this post is kept open so a real discusion can be had.
   TMJP

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   [i]The time has come to recognise that the experiment of MyFC and the resultant name change has been a catastrophic faliure. The club needs to go back to basics and be run in a orthodox manner with realistic ambition. What league we play in is irrelevant to the faithfull 500. What really counts is that the team play good football, win occasionally and are solevnt. The first step would be a return to us being Gravesend and Northfleet and the team running out to 'cheer cheer, here come the fleet'.
   TMJP

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   Hempstead Gaz Moderator
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   Tom, I empathise with your views, but the reality is there is no going back. G&N are no longer in existance, Eufc are.
   Myfc are putting shedloads of cash to keep Fleet alive. Without them we would not have a club in any league. Fact. We would owe the old directors over a million pounds....now! Could you have repaid them, or found someone who could.
   No.
   This has been debated to death on countless other threads, and is now boring everyone, which is why I closed the last one, and unless you or anyone else can add something constructive, this thread will go the same way.

   Posted 1 year ago #
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   fleetzone Member
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   I find it worrying that threads are 'closed' by the moderator simply on the basis that the moderator is not in agreement with the posting. There are a large amount of Gravesend and Northfleet supporters who feel disilusioned by what has happened to their club. Many of the key desicions (MyFC, name change etc) have been made by individuals with no real affinity to the heritage of the club. I hope this post is kept open so a real discusion can be had.
   TMJP
   Nb. I attach my previous posting for reference:
   [i]The time has come to recognise that the experiment of MyFC and the resultant name change has been a catastrophic faliure. The club needs to go back to basics and be run in a orthodox manner with realistic ambition. What league we play in is irrelevant to the faithfull 500. What really counts is that the team play good football, win occasionally and are solevnt. The first step would be a return to us being Gravesend and Northfleet and the team running out to 'cheer cheer, here come the fleet'.
   TMJP

   Afraid neither the name change or the purchase of our club by MyFC have been a catastrophic failure; at the end of the day, a name is just a name - names change in sport and industry every day one way or another - people get used to a new name....
   MyFC saved the club from going to the wall a year and a half ago - without them, we would have been in administration long before now and could easily be in the position that Farsley Celtic are now...
   MyFC may not have worked as they hoped it would, but the club is debt-free even if it doesn't have any money to spend... better that than in the hands of the receivers somewhere...wec cfould so easily have ended up in the same situation both Dartford and Maidstone did a few years back and look how liong it's taken them to recover.

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   Hirsty Member
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   Everyone is entitled to their opinion mate....

   However, my opinion is that had what has happened not happened, then the only heritage of the club would be found in a book in the local refernce library ! although had the large amounts of GNFC fans ( and I am one !) turned up en mass two or three years ago & we had crowds of 1500-2000 per home game...then who knows ?

   Of course if you know anyone that is minted and wants to chuck a couple of million quid in......then that may change things ?!

   Cheers,

   Posted 1 year ago #
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   Hempstead Gaz Moderator
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   Without MYFC, we would have padlocks on the gates at SR, weeds 4' tall on the pitch, an empty stadium, and fans wishing for a saviour such as MYFC.
   I do not entirely agree with MYFC on a number of issues, but they were the only ones to step in at short notice, be prepared to pay off huge debts and help us continue to operate as a football club.
   Would you rather the team restarted as G&N in the Gravesend Saturday league div 3, playing at Thong Lane?
   That was the alternative.

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   porterzoid Member
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   We functioned fine as a club for nearly 50 years without going down this route. The rationale for your argument is flawed as there are plenty of clubs both in our league and others who have survived whilst being run in an orthodox fashion. Why are we any different?
   I think the honest answer is greed and delusions of grandeur from certain elements in and around the club. What do you think?

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   Hirsty Member
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   Who are you replying to now HG ? I was replying to Porterzoid ( albeit it slowly !) but but the time I had finished there were two other responses to him !! I do not need confusion on a sunday evening !

   [i]"Would you rather the team restarted as G&N in the Gravesend Saturday league div 3, playing at Thong Lane?"

   Didn't I say that last year ???

   Cheers,

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   kingshonky Member
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   i agree with both but a name is not a name to us its always gravesend and northfleet to lot of us and i know some people dont go because of name change which is a shame i still go and love the fleet but the crowd are less and myfc have helped and we have been getting carrying away and losing our whole squad hurt because of myfc but we have to move on and cheer on new squad and hope things get better its just some on here have passion about the club and dont express it well but still support and be watching games

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   porterzoid Member
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   I just think the cure has proved to be worse than the disease. The stories of finacial meltdown prior to MyFC were a vast exageration. The club would not have gone bust and talk of padlocks on the gates is fantasy and scare mongering.

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    Hirsty Member
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    i agree with both but a name is not a name to us its always gravesend and northfleet to lot of us and i know some people dont go because of name change which is a shame i still go and love the fleet but the crowd are less and myfc have helped and we have been getting carrying away and losing our whole squad hurt because of myfc but we have to move on and cheer on new squad and hope things get better its just some on here have passion about the club and dont express it well but still support and be watching games

    Errr......last year's squad left because we couldn't afford to pay them what we were paying them last year.....irrespective of MYFC, Gravesend, Northfleet, Ebbsfleet, Denton, Kings Farm or whoever !

    It don't grow on trees you know......although President Brown seems to think so ! Maybe he can throw some in my direction !

    Cheers,

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    Hempstead Gaz Moderator
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    I was answering Tom, Hirsty. Like you, there are a few things I dislike with MYFC, but I want to see Fleet play professionally on saturdays, not against the likes of Fleetway Printers or, heaven help us, Springfleet Albion.
    I'm unsure why Tom cannot see that without help, the club would have gone. Completely.
    Perhaps he would prefer that, but a vast majority, whilst a little skeptical, are rather grateful MYFC stepped in when they did.

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    Hirsty Member
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    Ok........

    Cheers Gazza.

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    Hempstead Gaz Moderator
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    I just think the cure has proved to be worse than the disease. The stories of finacial meltdown prior to MyFC were a vast exageration. The club would not have gone bust and talk of padlocks on the gates is fantasy and scare mongering.

    Tom, the club had debts of over £800,000, which were mounting hourly. The directors wanted their loans repaid before the club went into Administration, or they they would have got little or nothing back.
    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    Why else did BK, JB and AF act so quickly in selling to MYFC.?
    I do not blame them at all. They are all shrewd businessmen, and did the best deal they could. Their debts were repaid, the club survived, and has no current debt.

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    Daves nan Member
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    i agree with both but a name is not a name to us its always gravesend and northfleet to lot of us and i know some people dont go because of name change which is a shame i still go and love the fleet but the crowd are less

    But our gates where up last season.

    If enough people had gone before the name change then there would not have been a name change.

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    Daves nan Member
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    There are a large amount of Gravesend and Northfleet supporters who feel disilusioned by what has happened to their club. Many of the key desicions (MyFC, name change etc) have been made by individuals with no real affinity to the heritage of the club.

    Thats funny, I could have sworn that they were made by people who are lifelong fans of the club and had been propping it up out of their own pockets for years because those "There are a large amount of Gravesend and Northfleet supporters who feel disilusioned by what has happened to their club." didn't turn up every wek to support the club they now claim to have used to support.

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    porterzoid Member
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    My Grandad, Dad and younger brother still go regularly to the fleet. I gave up supporting my local team when the powers that be changed the clubs name to a place that has zero connection to me.

    I still dont agree about the finances. They sold to Myfc for a quick buck. There were and still are alternatives.

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    ClubSecretary Member
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    Without MYFC, we would have padlocks on the gates at SR, weeds 4' tall on the pitch, an empty stadium, and fans wishing for a saviour such as MYFC.
    I do not entirely agree with MYFC on a number of issues, but they were the only ones to step in at short notice, be prepared to pay off huge debts and help us continue to operate as a football club.
    Would you rather the team restarted as G&N in the Gravesend Saturday league div 3, playing at Thong Lane?
    That was the alternative.

    We don't have a Div 3 in the Gravesend League...I'll get my coat

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    JFW Member
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    I still dont agree about the finances. They sold to Myfc for a quick buck. There were and still are alternatives.

    And those alternatives are....?

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    Hempstead Gaz Moderator
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    Without MYFC, we would have padlocks on the gates at SR, weeds 4' tall on the pitch, an empty stadium, and fans wishing for a saviour such as MYFC.
    I do not entirely agree with MYFC on a number of issues, but they were the only ones to step in at short notice, be prepared to pay off huge debts and help us continue to operate as a football club.
    Would you rather the team restarted as G&N in the Gravesend Saturday league div 3, playing at Thong Lane?
    That was the alternative.

    We don't have a Div 3 in the Gravesend League...I'll get my coat

    That was a little whimsy, Peter. The mighty Springfleet Albion reigned supreme in Saturday div 3. I think we one a game once - but history dims the memory!!

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    fleetzone Member
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    Some people will never see an alternative viewpoint.... even if everything was laid out in front of them... Thankfully the majority of us are able to see the true position rather than a blinkered outlook...

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    Hempstead Gaz Moderator
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    I still dont agree about the finances. They sold to Myfc for a quick buck. There were and still are alternatives.

    And those alternatives are....?

    There were none. And Tom will be unable to come up with any. Every feasable avenue was exhausted before the MYFC deal was done. It was the last resort.
    It's a pity that fleet has lost a supporter (whom I know well) whilst his brother and dad remain loyal (whom I also know well)

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    horsesoldier Member
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    I have been a regular supporter of Gravesend and northfleet for 40+ years and am pleased to see the debate re-opened regarding the clubs name and the MYFC issue . I was disappointed when the previous thread on this subject was closed prematurely by the moderator .
    I do not believe the name change issue should be closed especially under the circumstances the team finds itself in at the moment . MYFC are almost certainly only a short term provider of income to the club and that is decreasing rapidly . My information is that we only have a very small budget for players and in fact have only 2 or 3 actually registered !
    At the very least reverting to Gravesend and Northfleet FC would be restoring our proud tradition and just maybe encourage "local"businesses to support their towns team again instead of a railway station.

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    fleetzone Member
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    Local businesses failed to support the team before the name change so why should they do so if it were changed back? Again it all comes down to total apathy in the home town towards the football club

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    huntdog04 Member
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    My Grandad, Dad and younger brother still go regularly to the fleet. I gave up supporting my local team when the powers that be changed the clubs name to a place that has zero connection to me.

    my one question to you is why are you denying yourself the pleasure of attending a game with your friends and family? all because they changed the name? the Anaheim Angeles changed their name to the Los Angeles Angeles, which is located 20 miles away. people didn't like it but they still show up to see game. they aren't denying themselves the experience of going.

    believe me i get your point but its time to move on, the season starts in just over a month

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    Hempstead Gaz Moderator
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    I have been a regular supporter of Gravesend and northfleet for 40+ years and am pleased to see the debate re-opened regarding the clubs name and the MYFC issue . I was disappointed when the previous thread on this subject was closed prematurely by the moderator .
    I do not believe the name change issue should be closed especially under the circumstances the team finds itself in at the moment . MYFC are almost certainly only a short term provider of income to the club and that is decreasing rapidly . My information is that we only have a very small budget for players and in fact have only 2 or 3 actually registered !
    At the very least reverting to Gravesend and Northfleet FC would be restoring our proud tradition and just maybe encourage "local"businesses to support their towns team again instead of a railway station.

    I am curious to discover why, if you have been a supporter for over 40 years, and have clearly been reading the forums so avidly to know this topic has resurfaced, have you only just registered on here.
    The cynics amongst us could be forgiven for thinking you are just another Freemyfc troublemaking troll.

    Not that I am saying you are, but your profile and name fits a familiar profile !!

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    David_Holden Member
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    The cynics amongst us could be forgiven for thinking you are just another Freemyfc troublemaking troll.

    Not that I am saying you are, but your profile and name fits a familiar profile !!

    Registered on the previous forum before MyFC had even heard of Gravesend & Northfleet.

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    Hempstead Gaz Moderator
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    Thanks for that David. I never said he was a MYFC troll, but there have been a number of newly registered posters, claiming to be Fleet veterens of 40 years standing, posting to cause unrest in the ranks.
    Like most, I was unsure about the name change, but also like most I have gotten used to it, and realistically, I cannot envisage a time when we revert to G&N. That name is part of our history, much as Arsenal were Woolwich Arsenal.
    If the name change was due to encouraging a deal with Eurostar, what was the problem with that. Local businesses hardly came/come out in droves to throw huge sums of sponsorship at Fleet, so clearly this was the best deal around at the time.
    I said on a different thread that we must draw a line in the sand over recent events, name changes, Myfc, budget cuts, squad leaving. I still hold by that.
    We must all unite behind the board and Liam. Bleating about events of the past, and boycotting games because the name changed (but the players didn't) is infantile and immature. That is what I expect from my 9 year old daughter , not a mature adult.

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    PauloGNFC Member
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    At the very least reverting to Gravesend and Northfleet FC would be restoring our proud tradition and just maybe encourage "local"businesses to support their towns team again instead of a railway station.

    And then we would lose our main sponsor!
    I wasn't happy about the name change so I just refer to the club as "The Fleet"

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    Jeff Member
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    Same here Paulo.

    I very rarely use the 'E' word.

    Posted 1 year ago #
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    Busta Member
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    Lets go back to Black and white Valved television, with just two channels, old standards and tradition were far better We could even put children up chimney's and down mines,public floggings, ban forums and computers,drink bitter and mild (old slops) wahhoo the good old days, Life moves on we have to accept change, or go under.

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