http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ Ebbsfleet Utd - The Club's Official Forum en Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:24:33 +0000 http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408995 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:31:51 +0000 kaizen 408995@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Good post Graham. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408992 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 11:05:57 +0000 Graham S 408992@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>Why not remove it then as it only causes further damage between MyFC and |EUFC ?</p> <p>Only if we let it. On MyFC anyone can suggest, even propose, anything. 1 person. That doesn't mean it will happen. Surely, rather than damaging EUFC / MyFC relations, shouldn't it help when everyone says it's a stupid idea? </p></blockquote> <p>I couln't agree more. There are a few posters on here who believe that the entire MyFC membership is composed of people totally out of touch with reality &#38; the football club, when the truth is that most of these are long gone. On the other hand, there are some who restrict themselves to the MyFC forum, who believe that everyone on here is in tune with the minority who somehow think MyFC going bust will solve all our problems. </p> <p>Leave out a few loud but irrelevant people on both sides &#38; we all want the same thing. Our survival depends upon the majority recognising this &#38; working together. If we cannot manage this, then we will disappear up our own collective orifice &#38; deservedly so. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408987 Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:03:05 +0000 junglegerbil 408987@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Why not remove it then as it only causes further damage between MyFC and |EUFC </p> <p>Only if we let it. On MyFC anyone can suggest, even propose, anything. 1 person. That doesn't mean it will happen. Surely, rather than damaging EUFC / MyFC relations, shouldn't it help when everyone says it's a stupid idea? </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408980 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:17:39 +0000 V 408980@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <blockquote><blockquote>It's ridiculous, and it's never going to happen. </p></blockquote> <p>Of course it won't Jarle, Harry has no chance...unless one of the georgeous female members of the hollyoaks cast is myopic of course.</p> </blockquote> :lol:</p> <blockquote><p>Just look at who proposed it and who the web team would be.<br /> Jobs for the boys?</p> </blockquote> <p>Fair point, Gaz. I have trouble figuring the guy who proposed this out. His way of doing stuff over the past couple of years has been naive at best, and self-serving at worst. He does have some skilled people at his disposal and is ostensibly helping us out (the site really is crap). Then again all the volunteers who've worked on the site since the beginning (and I'm leaving out the Operator and his team here) have done their bit at their own expense. Why he would think that £10K, when we're this skint, for his people is ok I have no idea.</p> <p>Regardless - as I say it just ain't going to happen. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408971 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:35:07 +0000 Hempstead Gaz 408971@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Just look at who proposed it and who the web team would be.<br /> Jobs for the boys? </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408968 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:13:57 +0000 Riverview Supporter 408968@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Question on MYFC being asked is why this has gone straight to seconding without a debate thread first. And apparantly we need the site because the team deserve it or something. </p> <p>I though the whole idea of MYFC was to be a footballing supporters community and not this load of gobbledegook. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408886 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 15:33:00 +0000 J.J. Zucal 408886@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>Why not remove it then as it only causes further damage between MyFC and |EUFC</p> </blockquote> But this was supposed to be one of the beauties with MyFC/EUFC, and that was having a stay in matters, even if they are not workable at this time. Are there problems with the site? A few -- can someone change the box at the top of here (Join here for GBP35) since we're no longer charging 35 for membership -- but this is not the time financially to do this. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408864 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:57:06 +0000 Hirsty 408864@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>It's ridiculous, and it's never going to happen.</p> </blockquote> <p>Yep, you are right V....Allstars is never gonna get laid !!....unless Hilda Ogden has an off day !! :lol:</p> <p>Cheers, </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408862 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:12:50 +0000 Daves nan 408862@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>It's ridiculous, and it's never going to happen.</p> </blockquote> <p>Of course it won't Jarle, Harry has no chance...unless one of the georgeous female members of the hollyoaks cast is myopic of course. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408856 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:06:01 +0000 Denzil 408856@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>Please do not take it seriously. It should never have been put up as a proposal frankly.</p> </blockquote> <p>Therein perhaps lies part of the reason that so many have not renewed. A few individuals feel that they alone should decide what can and can't be put forward on the MYFC forum. Surely if a proposal has merits then the membership will support it, if not, they won't. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408854 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:42:43 +0000 Glenn Finch 408854@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>Why not remove it then as it only causes further damage between MyFC and |EUFC</p> </blockquote> Agreed </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408852 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:16:46 +0000 stewart fowler 408852@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Why not remove it then as it only causes further damage between MyFC and |EUFC </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408851 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:10:28 +0000 Arithon 408851@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Please do not take it seriously. It should never have been put up as a proposal frankly.<br /> We have been expecting something like this from this individual for some time. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408850 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:05:20 +0000 stewart fowler 408850@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Some people out there must have a peculiar sense of humour. I renewed MyFc membership to help or so I thought! The timing let alone the substance of this idea must be a joke. All my future financial support will now go to the fleet trust, but as long as it still exists I will pay a minimum sub to MyFC just to be able to vote against rediculous ideas. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408847 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 09:14:33 +0000 Glenn Finch 408847@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Unbelievable, the club are in s**t street financially and some people are worried about the quality of the website, GET A GRIP! </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408842 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:45:25 +0000 Riverview Supporter 408842@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Within the discussion regarding this on MYFC , the following quote has been made my the proposer</p> <p><em>"the Club and the Society are too important for us to propose anything less that a professional solution."</em></p> <p>So , has the SB backed this unanimously or by a majority? </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408841 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:14:54 +0000 V 408841@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>It's ridiculous, and it's never going to happen. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408840 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:10:00 +0000 andrewc 408840@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>off topic ! </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408835 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:59:35 +0000 Blanc 408835@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>"Hollyoaks is produced by Lime Pictures and filmed mainly at studios in Childwall, Liverpool." </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408834 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:08:15 +0000 Anonymous 408834@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>I really do not believe what I have just read.<br /> As a result of complete and utter crass stupidity, MyFC has already done its best to blow the best part of £1.5m, and then paid more money just to pay-off the very person who invented MyFC in the first place.<br /> Through numerous downright ridiculous decisons MyFC has now put the football clubs very existence in jeopardy and is now trying to substantiate the spending of another £10k just to relaunch a website that says it supports a football club that because of MyFC could easily not be around next season anyway.<br /> What is this a licence to print money for a selective few? This idea needs to filled away where it deserves in the rubbish bin!</p> </blockquote> <p>Thank you vicar, you can sit back down now.</p> <p>I have more chance of getting laid by one of the gorgeous female members in the cast of Hollyoaks, in Chester, which is where Hollyoaks is filmed, today than this proposal has of going through. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408833 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:34:10 +0000 WebEd 408833@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>So it has to be decided on by Feb 19th, renewal day, have I got that right? When membership may very well halve or worse?</p> <p>I thought the agreement was for a new website after December, which hasn't materialised, and/or a voluntary team to sort it out otherwise. </p> <p>This just seems like a quick way to make £10k. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408832 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:21:55 +0000 alter 408832@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <blockquote><p>Chancer</p> </blockquote> <p>In one. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408831 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:19:52 +0000 doheochai 408831@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Couple of quick points</p> <blockquote><p> MyFC has now put the football clubs very existence in jeopardy </p></blockquote> <p>The club was in trouble before MyFc came along - that is why it was sold.</p> <blockquote><p>and is now trying to substantiate the spending of another £10k just to relaunch a website </p></blockquote> <p>It is a proposal from a couple of members and so far has not met with any support. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408829 Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:05:26 +0000 AFFNo1 408829@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>I'm not in the least surprised! </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408828 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:59:52 +0000 John Pearce 408828@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>I really do not believe what I have just read.</p> <p>As a result of complete and utter crass stupidity, MyFC has already done its best to blow the best part of £1.5m, and then paid more money just to pay-off the very person who invented MyFC in the first place. </p> <p>Through numerous downright ridiculous decisons MyFC has now put the football clubs very existence in jeopardy and is now trying to substantiate the spending of another £10k just to relaunch a website that says it supports a football club that because of MyFC could easily not be around next season anyway.</p> <p>What is this a licence to print money for a selective few? This idea needs to filled away where it deserves in the rubbish bin! </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408826 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:48:09 +0000 Riverview Supporter 408826@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>It does make you wonder if its worth renewing. If this goes through , then people will seriously need to think if they can trust MYFC with their money. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408825 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:41:13 +0000 andrewc 408825@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>I agree, surely the site we have at present is suited to our needs at the moment.</p> <p>First priority has to be to secure BSP survival then build a team for next season. </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408824 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:24:25 +0000 Riverview Supporter 408824@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Did we not pay 15k for the operator to disappear if he left us with a site?</p> <p>Anyone able to answer </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408823 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:19:41 +0000 Blanc 408823@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Chancer </p> http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/topic/more-money-to-be-wasted#post-408822 Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:13:22 +0000 N 408822@http://www.eufcforum.com/forum/ <p>Replacing The Current Website<br /> The Redevelopment Plan</p> <p>published : 21:30 by ValentineSaunders</p> <p>I want to in this proposal to try to set out all of the issues that are involved in the current state of the website and what we plan to do about in a collective way as this something that has to be handled<br /> professionally.</p> <p>Current Situation<br /> --------------------------</p> <p>The present website is at best a mess and at worst something that simply doesn't work that well and more scary something that is basically fairly insecure. In addition the look, feel and user experience is in need of a complete makeover to make it attractive new and current members. There are also issues about accountability, transparency and more, all of which is leading to doubts, suspicions and misgivings about the site.</p> <p>Proposed Changes<br /> -----------------------------</p> <p>Here is our proposed plan for the complete replacement of the site. After talking with all the people that have an interest in the site its clear that with the time line we have now this close to the renewal date and the need for so much development. We believe that the best course is to blend together two professional teams so that all the required development skills and all the needed resources needed for the site can be handled within the time line available which is very tight but can be achieved with the commitment of all parties.</p> <p>The people that are being brought together are as follows:-</p> <p>Paul Saunders (977 Media) MyFC SB member - Overall Project Management</p> <p>Ruth Woody (977 Media) - Migration Planning, Module Development and Web Hosting,<br /> Dave Twisleton-Ward - Content Transfer Plan and User Experience<br /> Julio Taylor (Big Spring) - Member Usability, Overall Design and User Interface<br /> Jon Martin (Big Spring) - Subscription and Membership Accounting and Administration System</p> <p>In addition to the above personal both the development teams will bring additional people from their own staff to complete the needed work within the time line based on the overall workflow.</p> <p>Development Plan<br /> ----------------------------</p> <p>Phase 1 -- Launch Date -- To be completed by 19/2/2010</p> <p>Replace current MyFC website - take a look at <a href="http://www.bigspring.co.uk/dev/myfc/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bigspring.co.uk/dev/myfc/</a> as sample of the site work that has already been done onto which all the new functions and content will be added<br /> Build promotion and buzz around the new site launch<br /> Add reporting and tracking so that sites stats are clearly available using standard metrics.<br /> Revise the advertising placed on the site and create a new plan this revenue generation.<br /> Replace the current web hosting platform from Cal's company - this will be provided by 977 Media<br /> Market the new site to the social networks include the integration of Facebook and Twitter.</p> <p>After launch date - market directly to all non-renewing members to bring as many back as can be engaged and recovered.</p> <p>Phase 2 post the re-launch date</p> <p>Add various language translation to the new site to further engage overseas members and develop new member areas.<br /> Add additional features and new membership features through a planned development strategy designed to engage all current members and increase the overall membership.<br /> Discuss a possible merger or sharing of content with the current EUFC website.</p> <p>Financial Details<br /> -------------------------</p> <p>This I know is a difficult area as finance is tight right now but its my belief and the belief of all of the above team members that this expenditure is needed if we are how a clear future plan.</p> <p>To complete all aspects of the Development Plan as set out above the total cost would be a total cost of £10,000. This would be paid by an initial 25% deposit £2,500 paid immediately and this will be split between the Big Spring and 977 Media development teams enabling work to get underway. Then 3 further payments will be staged over the following 3 months in March £2,500, April £2,500 and May £2,500 as the final payment for the website replacement. This staged plan is flexible and designed to be set at a rate so that the finances of MyFC are not strained right now before the major renew season.</p> <p>Based on the renewal numbers in February so far and the numbers that could renew by the Feb 19th deadline (some 4,500 approx) if the present membership fee is £50 per year this complete site replacement is equal to 200 new members. I'm confident that we can attract many more new members and reactivate members that have dropped off in the past with this new website. However if 4500 is the number lets assume that we can expect some 3,000 to actually renew which is £150,000 of which this development budget is 6.6%. Plus the added value benefits that can be gained but this replacement site will I believe enable the Club, MyFC and the Society to create the proper platform to enable it to survive and grow into next season and beyond.</p> <p>The Long Term Website Management and Development Plan<br /> ------------------------------------------------------</p> <p>However if this plan is to be completed and also taking to the maximum so consideration to the future must also be considered. To handle this we need a strategy to enable the website to evolve, grow and develop long term. To do this a budget is needed to be agreed, and we are suggesting that £3 out of each membership fee new or renewal be allocated for a web development fund. This will enable the site's continued development, the covering of the hosting and maintenance costs.</p> <p>Conclusions<br /> ------------------</p> <p>While I respect the fact that many will see me as a new and as yet untried member of the MyFC SB I can to this project passionate about the possibility that this concept offers in terms of the development of MyFC and the success of Ebbsfleet Utd as a Club both on and off the pitch and I believe that if we take the proposed plan we can achieve the goals that we are all striving for of a successful and vibrant membership into the future next season and beyond. I am available for questions, direct contact and yes I am prepared to take the flack for proposing this plan cause I believe wholeheartedly that this is the<br /> right plan and the right time to act.</p> <p>Finally I would just like to say on a purely personal level I want to see this club success as I was born in Kent and would be awesome to see a team and a club from Kent go on into the Football League in the future and we have the ability to make that happen if we bring everyone together and make a commitment to achieve this goal.</p> <p>Paul K Saunders aka ValentineSaunders<br /> MyFC Society Board Member</p> <p>Snr VP of Media Development<br /> 977 Media LLC<br /> Denver Colorado<br /> <a href="mailto:paul@977media.com">paul@977media.com</a> </p>